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the numbers just don't add up. we've got a big decision and big things to make over next couple years w romney there, he's going to try to get reelected. >> let's see -- . >> obama is not. >> second round. >> barack obama's performance tonight, people watch something. >> flat. >> floot. >> week. >> slow. >> passionless. >> unpassionate. >> i thought it was flat. >> off his game. >> what was it? do you think he wasn't prepared? do you think it's been four years? >> he seemed like he wasn't prepared and seemed like romney had done thinking about the issues and obama just working off the talking points. >> i heard what sean hannity said earlier talking about this being obama at his weakest. i've done these sessions before and i thought this is romney at his strength. what is your reaction? >> this is -- romney i think he had a lot of facts and laid out his five-point plan. it makes sense but he came across with compassion which i appreciated. >> i think romney had a lot of passion and facts but i think that president
the numbers just don't add up. we've got a big decision and big things to make over next couple years w romney there, he's going to try to get reelected. >> let's see -- . >> obama is not. >> second round. >> barack obama's performance tonight, people watch something. >> flat. >> floot. >> week. >> slow. >> passionless. >> unpassionate. >> i thought it was flat. >> off his game. >> what was it? do you think he wasn't...
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>> reporter: the numbers. mitt romney talked about his tax plan. what the president was trying to say was you can't have a program of tax cuts and also increase in defense spending. that adds up. without drastic spending cuts. that's one of the things people will be going after mitt romney. also his claims about health care plan and medicare, how his plan would work out. i think in particular the question of the taxes and the budget and how that would affect people it will really put into place that will be the main fact checking question going forward. >> john, i feel facts has been one of the casualties in this campaign, certainly both sides. there's stuff in papers analyzing what obama said that was untrue and what mitt romney said that was untrue. let's talk about mitt romney's tax plan. he wants to cut everyone's rate by 21%. is it true that that would cost $5 trillion? yes or no? >> reporter: well the question is how do you shape it? the question for romney is not necessarily that he's telling an untruth it's that he's not giving us any of th
>> reporter: the numbers. mitt romney talked about his tax plan. what the president was trying to say was you can't have a program of tax cuts and also increase in defense spending. that adds up. without drastic spending cuts. that's one of the things people will be going after mitt romney. also his claims about health care plan and medicare, how his plan would work out. i think in particular the question of the taxes and the budget and how that would affect people it will really put into...
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how would you grade mitt romney last night? >> i gave him a full a and i gave obama a c minus and it was kind of a gift. you know, i hate to admit it, but i go all the way back to the 1960 debate, steve. this was the biggest gaffe between an incumbent president's performance and a challenger's performance ever. for those who think 1980 was a bigger gaffe, i i would invite them to go back and see that debate. yes, there was a big gaffe between eggen and carter, but it wasn't this big. >> steve: you're making it sound quite historic. in fact, "wall street journal" says this is the best debate effort by a republican nominee since reagan back in 1980, which would have been 32 years from now. do you think this is going to move the polls, move the meter? >> that's the big question. if you're asking me to guess, and that's all i'm doing this morning, i would say it will move the needle. i have no idea how much. is it a point or two or is it a bunch much points? we're all going to find out in the next wave of polls. i think everybody i
how would you grade mitt romney last night? >> i gave him a full a and i gave obama a c minus and it was kind of a gift. you know, i hate to admit it, but i go all the way back to the 1960 debate, steve. this was the biggest gaffe between an incumbent president's performance and a challenger's performance ever. for those who think 1980 was a bigger gaffe, i i would invite them to go back and see that debate. yes, there was a big gaffe between eggen and carter, but it wasn't this big....
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>> the numbers. mitt romney talked about his tax plan. the president was trying to say was that you can't have a program of tax cuts and also increase in defense spending that adds up without drastic spending cuts. and that's one of the things people will be going after with mitt romney. also his claims about his health care plan and medicare. again, how exactly his plan would work out. but i think in particular, the question of the taxes and the budget and how that would affect people, when really put into pla place, that will be the main fact checking going forward. >> certainly both sides of this campaign, and there's certainly stuff in the papers today analyzing things that obama said that were untrue and what romney said were untrue. everybody has to take a fine tooth comb through the paper to go through that this morning. let's talk about romney's tax cut plan. he wants to cut everyone's rates by 20%. is it true that that would cost $5 trillion, yes or no? well, the question is, how do you shape it? the question for romney is not ne
>> the numbers. mitt romney talked about his tax plan. the president was trying to say was that you can't have a program of tax cuts and also increase in defense spending that adds up without drastic spending cuts. and that's one of the things people will be going after with mitt romney. also his claims about his health care plan and medicare. again, how exactly his plan would work out. but i think in particular, the question of the taxes and the budget and how that would affect people,...
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number two, open up more trade, particularly in latin america. crackdown on china if and when they cheat. number three, make sure our people have the skills they need to succeed. and the best schools in the world. we are far away from that now. number four, get us to a balanced budget, number five, champion small business. megyn: they liked that, they liked when either man talked about the middle class, and they really liked when they talked about education. barack obama when given the open floor, chris to say whatever he wanted on the first answer of that debate went right to education. some of us wondered why he did that. walmart moms were saying that was one of the most important subjects they heard discussed last night. >> you got it. what these women want to hear about, and i've watched the tapes of the focus groups, not this one but others, and when you hear these women talk about this we are talking about household income 40,000 to 60,000 mostly. we are talking about these women who want to know what it's going to take to knock the country
number two, open up more trade, particularly in latin america. crackdown on china if and when they cheat. number three, make sure our people have the skills they need to succeed. and the best schools in the world. we are far away from that now. number four, get us to a balanced budget, number five, champion small business. megyn: they liked that, they liked when either man talked about the middle class, and they really liked when they talked about education. barack obama when given the open...
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>> romney: that's number one. number two is for people that are young. i want to allow them either to choose the current medicare program or a private plan their choice. they get to choose -- and they'll have at least two plans that will be entirely at no cost to them. so no additional $6,000 that's not going to happen. and if the government can be as efficient as the private sector and offer premiums as low as the private sector people can get traditional medicare or get a private plan. i would rather have a private plan. but people make their own choice. the other thing we have to do to save medicare is we have to have help for those that are low income, but for higher-income people we have to lower some of the benefits. that's the plan i put forward, and the idea came not even from paul ryan or senator riden, but it came from bill clinton's chief of staff. this is an idea which has been around for a long time. saying hey, let's see if we can't get competition into the medicare world so people can get a choice at lower cost better quality, i believe in
>> romney: that's number one. number two is for people that are young. i want to allow them either to choose the current medicare program or a private plan their choice. they get to choose -- and they'll have at least two plans that will be entirely at no cost to them. so no additional $6,000 that's not going to happen. and if the government can be as efficient as the private sector and offer premiums as low as the private sector people can get traditional medicare or get a private plan....
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these are good numbers for romney. not such good numbers for the president. >> right, wolf. david axle rod, senior adviser to the campaign. what happened? >> i don't think you can measure these debates on instant polls. >> let's measure it by democratic standards. >> let's finish. we don't want to have a debate here let me just finish. governor romney laid down a series of positions and you and others will be following this tomorrow. so will the american people. he does have a $5 trillion tax plan, no plausible way to pay for it $2 trillion in pentagon spending, no plausible way to pay for it. he took the position that he made with the republicans saying he wouldn't accept $1 of new revenue to help solve our deficit program, even on the very wealthy. turned medicare to a voucher program. >> you know, this is -- there could be something else tomorrow, heaven only knows, tonight it's a debate. democrats said what happened to president obama? why didn't he show up? seemed listless, didn't want to be there. and mitt romney seemed like he showed up to play, and the president boug
these are good numbers for romney. not such good numbers for the president. >> right, wolf. david axle rod, senior adviser to the campaign. what happened? >> i don't think you can measure these debates on instant polls. >> let's measure it by democratic standards. >> let's finish. we don't want to have a debate here let me just finish. governor romney laid down a series of positions and you and others will be following this tomorrow. so will the american people. he does...
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number 1 you are going to see mitt romney boasting a lot for the next two weeks, and number two you'll see a whole different approach from the president to come back. >> cenk: yeah, apparently they were calling it the big bird debate. i thought it was the malaise debate for president obama. but mitt romney came at him from the left on several instances. on the dodd-frank issue, you let the big banks remain too big. like he cares. >> that's the etch-a-sketch-ificatoin. >> eliot: why didn't the president say, how are you going to keep them small? he didn't take him to task. he didn't challenge him. >> al gore: he also blamed obama implicitly for the fact that the dodd-frank regulations have not been put into effect for two years. the lobbyist on slot is responsible for that. >> cenk: i believe his top eight funners are all banks. so for mitt romney to pretend that he wants to limit the size of banks is the biggest joke. >> jennifer: name one answer that you thought that the president handled well. >> cenk: i thought he did a good job on medicare again, left the 716 unanswered there. but
number 1 you are going to see mitt romney boasting a lot for the next two weeks, and number two you'll see a whole different approach from the president to come back. >> cenk: yeah, apparently they were calling it the big bird debate. i thought it was the malaise debate for president obama. but mitt romney came at him from the left on several instances. on the dodd-frank issue, you let the big banks remain too big. like he cares. >> that's the etch-a-sketch-ificatoin. >>...
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you would rather be president obama than mitt romney looking at these numbers. that plus 19 advantage that the president has on looking out for the middle class, that is a death nail for mr. romney's campaign if he cannot turn that around. but i think looking ahead to tonight's debate, there is a real opportunity in the huge disconnect in the electorate, in a way that reflects a real risk for president obama. there's this huge disconnect between mr. obama's best number with voters and one of his worst numbers. which is that president obama has so far not been able to persuade people to connect these two ideas, right? he has not been able to persuade people that doing right by the middle class, where he does great, actually is the way you fix the economy. so in other words, yeah, heading into this first debate, mr. romney may seem like an out of touch rich guy who's going to be bad for the average american, but people still think that maybe a thurston howell-type figure might be what we need to get the economy in shape. sort of a discordant idea, but it seems to
you would rather be president obama than mitt romney looking at these numbers. that plus 19 advantage that the president has on looking out for the middle class, that is a death nail for mr. romney's campaign if he cannot turn that around. but i think looking ahead to tonight's debate, there is a real opportunity in the huge disconnect in the electorate, in a way that reflects a real risk for president obama. there's this huge disconnect between mr. obama's best number with voters and one of...
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romney: that's number one. number two is for people coming along that are young. what i do to make sure that we can keep medicare in place for them is to allow them either to choose the current medicare program or a private plan, their choice. they get to -- and they'll have at least two plans that will be entirely at no cost to them. so they don't have to pay additional money, no additional $6,000. that's not going to happen. they'll have at least two plans. and, by the way, if the government can offer premiums as low as the private sector, people will be happy to get traditional medicare, or they'll be able to get a private plan. i know my own view is i'd rather have a private plan. i'd just as soon be able to have an insurance company f i don't like them, i can get rid of them and find a different insurance company. but people make their own choice. the other thing we have to do to save medicare, we have to have the benefits high for those that are low income, but for higher income people we're going to have to lower some of the benefits. we have to make sure t
romney: that's number one. number two is for people coming along that are young. what i do to make sure that we can keep medicare in place for them is to allow them either to choose the current medicare program or a private plan, their choice. they get to -- and they'll have at least two plans that will be entirely at no cost to them. so they don't have to pay additional money, no additional $6,000. that's not going to happen. they'll have at least two plans. and, by the way, if the government...
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romney's numbers almost doubled to 63%. president obama's did move up slightly. he still lead there but romney gained a lot of ground here, scott. >> pelley: anthony, thank you very much. of course as we said this is a little over 400 people who had not made up their minds on which candidate they would support. but john dickerson what do you make of those numbers. >> those are the people mitt romney needs to talk to. these are the people who are -- they may have voted for president obama in 2008, they like him but they just are disappointed and the transaction mitt romney needed to start tonight was saying to those people it's okay to leave him and i'm a safe place to go. that jump in the number of people who thought he cared about regular people, that -- if they could have written a perfect script that's the one the romney people would have written. somebody wrote in to me today and said just after the debate said the governor of massachusetts showed up. which was a way to talk about the fact that mitt romney showed up as a more moderate character. hasn't talked
romney's numbers almost doubled to 63%. president obama's did move up slightly. he still lead there but romney gained a lot of ground here, scott. >> pelley: anthony, thank you very much. of course as we said this is a little over 400 people who had not made up their minds on which candidate they would support. but john dickerson what do you make of those numbers. >> those are the people mitt romney needs to talk to. these are the people who are -- they may have voted for president...
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mitt romney has offered a plan that is actually has so little in that you can't even run the numbers. i mean, if you have a plan that is basically filled with empty magic asterisks you can't analyze whether this will deal with a budget deficit in the future. the independent tax policy center said in fact -- >> it's a left wing group, for crying out loud. it's a left wing group. >> -- tonight on taxes. good to see you both. thanks for your time. as the president and governor romney make their final preps, corporate america gets their chance to weigh in. >> when we come back, the former president and coo of verizon on what big business wants to hear tonight. >> but before the break, money man jim cramer's take. >> nobody asked me. i'm not running. i'm not part of a debate. but i stand for higher stock prices for all. if you like me, i will put through my plan to switch to clean burning job creates natural gas vehicles and educate the mass's money. clean the skies. rebuild our run down infrastructure and reappoint ben bernanke to get higher stock prices for all. that's a plot form i can
mitt romney has offered a plan that is actually has so little in that you can't even run the numbers. i mean, if you have a plan that is basically filled with empty magic asterisks you can't analyze whether this will deal with a budget deficit in the future. the independent tax policy center said in fact -- >> it's a left wing group, for crying out loud. it's a left wing group. >> -- tonight on taxes. good to see you both. thanks for your time. as the president and governor romney...
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. >> the cand dates will meet again on october caneth for debate number two. and up first, the only vice-president debate between the respect and paul ryan. >> that's the one we all want to see. thank you so much. >> the president and mitt romney not veering from their messages and taking every chance they could to hit one another on the policies. >> i know that you and your running mate is saying that and it is popular thing to say but it is not the case. i got five boys and i am used to people saying something that is not always true but keeping on repeating it and hoping i will believe it. that's not the case. i will not reduce taxes paid by high income americans. >> the fact is, if you low are the rates the way you describe, governor, it is not possible to come up with enough deductions and loop holes that only affect high income individuals to avoid raising the deficit or burdening the middle class. it is math. it is arithmetic. >> don't forget you put 90 billion, 50 yearrs worth of breaks in solar and wind to solyndra, and fis car and i have a friend who
. >> the cand dates will meet again on october caneth for debate number two. and up first, the only vice-president debate between the respect and paul ryan. >> that's the one we all want to see. thank you so much. >> the president and mitt romney not veering from their messages and taking every chance they could to hit one another on the policies. >> i know that you and your running mate is saying that and it is popular thing to say but it is not the case. i got five...
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no economist can claim that mitt romney tax plan thattadds $5 trillion. number two, i will not reduce the share paid by high-income individuals. i have five boys. i am used to people sang something that is not always true, but to keep on repeating it and hoping all the mahli i will believe it. that is the case. i will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income americans. i will not under any circumstances raise taxes on middle income families. there are a ton of studies hat looked at the study described and say this simply wrong. i saw a study that came out today that says you are going to raise taxes by $3,000 to four income families. on middle let's get to the bottom line. i want to bring the rates down at the same time i lower deductions and exemptions and so forth so we keep getting the revenue read. the reason is because small business pays that individual rate. 54% of america's workers work in businesses that are taxeddnot at the corporate tax rate, but at the individual tax rate. if we lower that rate, they will be able to hire more people. for me, t
no economist can claim that mitt romney tax plan thattadds $5 trillion. number two, i will not reduce the share paid by high-income individuals. i have five boys. i am used to people sang something that is not always true, but to keep on repeating it and hoping all the mahli i will believe it. that is the case. i will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income americans. i will not under any circumstances raise taxes on middle income families. there are a ton of studies hat looked at the study...
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make up a number, 25,000, $50,000, anybody could have deductions up to that amount and then that number disappears for high income people. >> rick: romney pledged high income people would pay the same share of total taxes they pay now. the president has his own tax plan. to raise money on those making 250,000 a year. romney said the president's own words show why that's a bad idea. >> in 2010, you said look, i'm going to extend the tax policies that we have now. i'm not going to raise taxes on anyone because when the economy is growing slow like this, we're in recession, you shouldn't raise taxes on anyone. >> now, when the president said that, the economy was growing at 2.3%, the latest quarter was revised downward to 1.3%. the president stuck to his guns in the debate last night, still calling for an increase in taxes on the better off. bret? >> bret: governor romney got into the weeds and he didn't have the chalk board. >> no, he was pretty smooth on this. he was ready. >> all right. thank you. al gore has an explanation for what happened in last night's debate and i promise you, you
make up a number, 25,000, $50,000, anybody could have deductions up to that amount and then that number disappears for high income people. >> rick: romney pledged high income people would pay the same share of total taxes they pay now. the president has his own tax plan. to raise money on those making 250,000 a year. romney said the president's own words show why that's a bad idea. >> in 2010, you said look, i'm going to extend the tax policies that we have now. i'm not going to...
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but if you look at the ad for governor romney's problems, think it goes back to numbers. the first was brought up today at 50.1% in the sense that he's trying to do what is necessary to get elected. so there is some of that lack of sincerity. .. and talk about what -- [inaudible] and then you have to make some structure changes. they brought a very poor mechanicble campaign. they have to get to the battleground states and get -- have been critical and remain critical. ly say analytically looking a the numbers today, it's been a terrible two weeks. they made mistakes. 47%. where are the actual poll numbers. they are not worse than they were. they are worse than they were two weeks ago. they were slightly worse. you have the "the wall street journal" out this morning. all the battle ground and likely voters around -- if i were ak l rod i would be worried, actually. just as mitt romney should have been ahead in any view, two months and blew the republican convention, i wonder whether the obama campaign will look back at the last two weeks where they had a change to pull ahea
but if you look at the ad for governor romney's problems, think it goes back to numbers. the first was brought up today at 50.1% in the sense that he's trying to do what is necessary to get elected. so there is some of that lack of sincerity. .. and talk about what -- [inaudible] and then you have to make some structure changes. they brought a very poor mechanicble campaign. they have to get to the battleground states and get -- have been critical and remain critical. ly say analytically...
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this is a perfect example of how governor romney was so prepared, that $90 billion number that he used to refute the president's claim that oil companies make too much money. secondly president obama tries to take advantage of people's lack of understanding that there is a difference between a profit and a profit margin. he takes advantage of the fact that a lot of people don't understand that oil companies have to invest billions of dollars over many years to make that profit. and so when governor romney came back with the $90 billion i thought that was an excellent statistic to refute the misinformation that the president was trying to get people to believe. martha: yeah, you know you touch on something here that i want to ask you about before you go. he called out a number of different industries last night. he said you need exxon mobil needs any more money, he talked about insurance companies which definitely have been sort of somebody that he has no -- has no reference for in the health insurance process. he talked about wall street a little bit last night and fat cats, does anybo
this is a perfect example of how governor romney was so prepared, that $90 billion number that he used to refute the president's claim that oil companies make too much money. secondly president obama tries to take advantage of people's lack of understanding that there is a difference between a profit and a profit margin. he takes advantage of the fact that a lot of people don't understand that oil companies have to invest billions of dollars over many years to make that profit. and so when...
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no economist can say mitt romney's plan adds $5 trillion. if i say i had not add to the deficit with my tax plan. number two, i won't reduce the share paid by high-income individuals. i know it's a popular thing to say with a lot of people, and it's not the case. look, i have five boys, i'm used to people saying something that isn't always true and keep on saying it hoping ultimately i will believe it. that is not the case. i had not reduce the taxes paid by high-income americans, and number three, i had not under any circumstances raise taxes on middle income families. i will lower taxes on middle income faemdmilies. you cite a study, there are six other studies that look at that study and say it's completely wrong. i saw a study that says you will raise taxes by $3 to $4 million on middle income families. all these studies down there i want to bring the rates down at the same time we lower deductions and exemptions and credits and so forth so keep getting the revenue we need. why lower the rates? the reason is, because small business pays
no economist can say mitt romney's plan adds $5 trillion. if i say i had not add to the deficit with my tax plan. number two, i won't reduce the share paid by high-income individuals. i know it's a popular thing to say with a lot of people, and it's not the case. look, i have five boys, i'm used to people saying something that isn't always true and keep on saying it hoping ultimately i will believe it. that is not the case. i had not reduce the taxes paid by high-income americans, and number...
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i believe 67% said -- believe romney won the debate. that is a stunning number. usually, our side thinks our diet one, their side thinks their dive one, and it comes about even in the wash. it was decisive. >> quickly, explain to a group of people, where i doubt there is an undecided voters in this room, what do they look like? who are they? >> they look like the kind of people who ask the waiter to come back because they have not decided on what they have for dinner. when you look at undecided voters, generally taken to be younger women than anything else. in this case, what i am seeing, it is an even division between men and women, there can be more independent, but somewhat conservative to moderate, but what is interesting is only 18% undecided voters and swing states say the country is going in the right direction. 7% stake is -- 70% say it is gone off the track. that is what i believe rodney is poised to pick up some of them after this performance. anybody who thinks the next debate will be the same as this one might think they are making a mistake. obama wi
i believe 67% said -- believe romney won the debate. that is a stunning number. usually, our side thinks our diet one, their side thinks their dive one, and it comes about even in the wash. it was decisive. >> quickly, explain to a group of people, where i doubt there is an undecided voters in this room, what do they look like? who are they? >> they look like the kind of people who ask the waiter to come back because they have not decided on what they have for dinner. when you look...
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number two, i will not reduce the share paid by high-income individuals. i know that you and your running mate keep saying that and i know it's a popular thing to say with a lot of people, but it's just not the case. look, i've got five boys. i'm used to people saying something that's not always true, but just keep on repeating it and ultimately hoping i'll believe it. but that is not the case, all right? i will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income americans. and number three, i will not under any circumstances raise taxes on middle income families. i will lower taxes on middle income families. now, you cite a study. there's six other studies that looked at the study that you described and say it's completely wrong. i saw a study that came out today that said you're going to raise taxes by $3,000 to $4,000 on middle income families. there are all these studies out there. but let's get to the bottom line. that is, i want to bring down rates. i want to bring the rates down, at the same time lower deductions and exemptions and credits and so forth, so we
number two, i will not reduce the share paid by high-income individuals. i know that you and your running mate keep saying that and i know it's a popular thing to say with a lot of people, but it's just not the case. look, i've got five boys. i'm used to people saying something that's not always true, but just keep on repeating it and ultimately hoping i'll believe it. but that is not the case, all right? i will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income americans. and number three, i will not...
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we can always play with numbers here. i wish i could do that on my grade point average in college, i couldn't. it was what it was. that's history. one thing that's interesting that romney tried to do is you're talking about how very few small businesses, mr. president, are affected by your coming hike and in the upper rate, but he said they doing the for close to -- do account for close to half of the employees hired by small businesses. i'm paraphrasing it. look, did you get a sense that he was deliberately going after the president on each and every item that he found offensive in a prosecuting fashion? some looked at that saying now you're losing me so vang the president. what -- so advantage the president. what do you say? >> i think the president just doesn't get it, frankly, and any time we can challenge his premise, we ought to do it. i think romney did it very well. president obama called donald trump small business. that's so foolish, it's not worth talking about. i live in a world with my four restaurants, and i
we can always play with numbers here. i wish i could do that on my grade point average in college, i couldn't. it was what it was. that's history. one thing that's interesting that romney tried to do is you're talking about how very few small businesses, mr. president, are affected by your coming hike and in the upper rate, but he said they doing the for close to -- do account for close to half of the employees hired by small businesses. i'm paraphrasing it. look, did you get a sense that he...
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you can explain the math to you and make you see why the numbers don't add up and why mitt romney is cute on these things. the third thing is simple. i said in the show yesterday, mitt romney is really good when he's carrying out prescripted attacks. that is all he did for 90 minutes last night. he spent months preparing for in and had every line internalized and he's good at that. you need to knock him off that game. think about the primaries. when rick perry started to mix it up with him a little bit, that's where the $10,000 bet came from. you income him off the script, and that's where the trouble starts for mitt romney. obama didn't even try. >> i completely agree with that. mitt romney, as you said, he's very good when he can go and say what he wants to say. they didn't take any moment or opportunity to get him off the game. the other failure i would say is overall the president and his team have been excellent at framing this election as a choice rather than a referendum. last night the president let mitt romney dictate the terms of the debate as a referendum on obama's polici
you can explain the math to you and make you see why the numbers don't add up and why mitt romney is cute on these things. the third thing is simple. i said in the show yesterday, mitt romney is really good when he's carrying out prescripted attacks. that is all he did for 90 minutes last night. he spent months preparing for in and had every line internalized and he's good at that. you need to knock him off that game. think about the primaries. when rick perry started to mix it up with him a...
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that's number one. number two, will take programs that are currently good programs will be run more efficiently at the state level and send them to stay. number three, i will make agencies and departments. the cutbacks will be done through attrition, by the way. this is the approach we have to take to get america to a balanced budget. the president said he would cut the deficit in half. unfortunately, he doubled that. trillion dollar deficits for the last four years. the president has put it in place as much public debt, almost as much debt held by the public as all prior presidents combined. >> moderator: mr. president, two minutes. obama: when i walked in and oval office at more than a $3 trillion deficit greeting me. we know where it came from, to worst paid for in a credit card, to tax cuts that were not paid for and a whole bunch of programs that were not paid for and then a massive economic crisis. and despite that, what we have said is yes, we had to take some initial emergency measures to make s
that's number one. number two, will take programs that are currently good programs will be run more efficiently at the state level and send them to stay. number three, i will make agencies and departments. the cutbacks will be done through attrition, by the way. this is the approach we have to take to get america to a balanced budget. the president said he would cut the deficit in half. unfortunately, he doubled that. trillion dollar deficits for the last four years. the president has put it in...
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great manufacturing numbers early in the weekend bad numbers today. can't make sense of that. stuart: i won't say it was a romney rally. >> if you did i would back you up. stuart: wait a second. let's be serious. we are five weeks from the election. we have had one debate and a result that favors romney. can you really say the dow up 1900 points is a result of romney's win? >> i think it gives it some additional momentum. it gives a little bit of a boost because romney is the choice of wall street. he is good for the market and good for the economy. the people who work on wall street and work for big business and small business in this country want romney to win so they will be keeping a close eye on all of these debates. stuart: you have convinced me. it wasn't fun in cheek. you are right. we just heard from swing voter the clear victory for romney and on tv. what was the feeling like for the people who were in the room on the spot? we talk to someone who wasn't room. that is next. you see us, at the start of the day. on the company phone list that's a few names longer. you s
great manufacturing numbers early in the weekend bad numbers today. can't make sense of that. stuart: i won't say it was a romney rally. >> if you did i would back you up. stuart: wait a second. let's be serious. we are five weeks from the election. we have had one debate and a result that favors romney. can you really say the dow up 1900 points is a result of romney's win? >> i think it gives it some additional momentum. it gives a little bit of a boost because romney is the choice...
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this is what mitt romney said about his health care plan. >> number one, pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan. >> okay, i have to rate that mostly fiction. here's what we know about governor romney's health care plan. it would guarantee coverage, even if you had pre-existing conditions, for anybody who currently has health care or had it within three months. that's basically current law, diane. but under romney's plan, there is nothing to help out those that now don't have health care and haven't had it for three months. if they have pre-existing conditions, they're out of luck. >> so, jon, before you let you go, i have to ask you one question, is donald trump a small business? >> well, i've got to tell you, diane, i was a reporter in new york for many years, i've covered donald trump. i know him. i've interviewed him. he is not a small businessman. >> but technically, technically, i think the president would argue that he is, with a number of employees that he talks about, george. >> i want to pick up with matt dou dowd, that point about pre-existing conditions. as nico
this is what mitt romney said about his health care plan. >> number one, pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan. >> okay, i have to rate that mostly fiction. here's what we know about governor romney's health care plan. it would guarantee coverage, even if you had pre-existing conditions, for anybody who currently has health care or had it within three months. that's basically current law, diane. but under romney's plan, there is nothing to help out those that now don't...